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I'm enough of a Burton fan to check it out again. <br /><br />If you like those two a lot <i>Coraline</i>, which I reviewed here back in the day, gets my highest recommendations. It's one of the most sophisticated American animated films of recent times, and I would put it up there with <i>Nightmare</i> any day of the week, easy.Ryan Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18054550377681273142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-45837073542632129022009-07-13T15:27:38.808-04:002009-07-13T15:27:38.808-04:00Ryan - Yes, I love Nightmare and really, really li...Ryan - Yes, I love <i>Nightmare</i> and really, really like <i>Bride</i>. They show a strange "live-action" feel to them to me, that tracks closely with his other work. I just think they're delightful and the kind of sophisticated children's films that are very hard to find these days - ones that parents like to see just as much as the kiddies.<br /><br />As for Landau, I suppose you could be right about one-note, but I think he was given more range and showed it. Despite Depp's superb timing, which you rightly point out, it did get a little caricaturish, which I didn't feel when watching Landau.Marilynhttp://www.ferdyonfilms.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-72378128316397032922009-07-13T13:46:37.996-04:002009-07-13T13:46:37.996-04:00Yeah, I guess you could get hung up on those seman...Yeah, I guess you could get hung up on those semantics, especially if you're a devotee of the subject. But, at the same time, getting hung up on the factual innacuracies of a movie, you miss what truth it illuminates. Sure, Wood didn't <i>really</i> meet Welles in a bar, but could the movie have climaxed any other way? I think You put it wonderfully in your comment, that the movie captures Wood's "powerful optimism". I wonder if these people who don't like it would have preferred a movie that ignored the powerful optimism and got every little historical detail right. <br /><br />And as for Lugosi's cursing, I can see the family getting mad about it but I think it was definitely supposed to be something of a caricature. My favorite line in the movie is when Landau goes "Nobody gives two fucks for Bela".<br /><br />Thanks again for the kind words, Mykal.Ryan Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18054550377681273142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-32448429127250437742009-07-13T13:41:36.092-04:002009-07-13T13:41:36.092-04:00I hear ya, Adam, I was definitely a Burton fan fro...I hear ya, Adam, I was definitely a Burton fan from a young age. He was one of the earliest director's I can remember associating with a distinct style. <i>Beetlejuice</i> was a favorite of mine growing up, and I remember going to see <i>The Nightmare Before Christmas</i> when it came out! I still love Burton, on the whole, but I have something of a love-hate with everything he's done this decade. Of those movies, I think <i>Big Fish</i> is the best, but it has some very shaky moments. <i>Charlie and the Chocolate Factory</i> and <i>Sweeney Todd</i> are, IMO, extremely mixed bags--- movies I went back and forth on loving and hating minute to minute. <br /><br />I'm glad you brought up <i>Mars Attacks</i>, which I tried and tried to fit into the piece but couldn't find the right lead-in. It's kinda like him making an Ed Wood movie, and I think it's one of the most subversively satirical Hollywood pictures of the 90s. I mean, if you look at the blockbusters that define the 90s for so many people, they are nothing but B-Movies with A budgets and production values. Burton takes this concept to the extreme and it's such effective comedy. And it has what <i>may</i> be my favorite Elfman score--- though that's a long list in itself.<br /><br />And glad you saw <i>Manhattan</i>, Adam. I'm gonna have to take major exception that you refer to Allen and Altman as 'actor's directors'--- they are both supreme stylists. Admittedly, Altman and Allen are actor's-directors as well, but that's just one facet of it. But yes, <i>Manhattan</i> is one of the most gorgeously photographed films I can think of, and that soundtrack gives me chills just thinking about it.Ryan Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18054550377681273142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-14465063041458153712009-07-13T13:33:11.512-04:002009-07-13T13:33:11.512-04:00Ryan: I think Wood devotees point to some of the c...Ryan: I think Wood devotees point to some of the chronological inaccuracies of the film (certain events happening out of sequence, etc.). Also, I know many Lugosi fans and family were offended by the language Martin landau’s Lugosi uses, like calling Karloff a "limey Cocksucker." Lugosi was of the old, courtly European school and would have never used such language. <br /><br />But for me these complaints are really trivial and miss the real worth of the film. One must look at the larger picture. It is obvious Burton and all primary actors <i>loved</i> both Lugosi and Wood and wanted to honor their memories. That is the main thing- - <i>Ed Wood</i> was, to me, done with nothing but love and honor, and it really captured well Wood's powerful optimism<br /><br />Also this film brought me to the work of Ed wood. And, because of the portrait of Ed Wood in this film, I didn't seek his work to laugh at bad movies - I looked for his films to see the work of an extremely interested film-maker. <br /><br />I will always love Ed Wood for that alone. <br /><br />I say again - Great post! -- MykalMykal Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12148489896145024134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-83991554641275766792009-07-13T13:29:20.673-04:002009-07-13T13:29:20.673-04:00Greg, thanks for the kind words, and thank you for...Greg, thanks for the kind words, and thank you for being THE BEST BLOGATHON HOST EVER. Not that I'm actually any kind of authority on the matter, considering I've never taken part in one of these before.<br /><br />And yes, you match <i>Ed Wood</i> again. The movie delighted me again when I watched it for write-up purposes.Ryan Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18054550377681273142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-69054063276290323432009-07-13T13:21:45.936-04:002009-07-13T13:21:45.936-04:00Rick, part of me could agree that Depp's perfo...Rick, part of me could agree that Depp's performance as Dillinger is better--- it's certainly more multi-faceted. Depp is so charistmatic and charming it's amazing watching him strip away those characteristics.<br /><br />Could we agree that it's his best performance with Burton?Ryan Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18054550377681273142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-59657975166761141582009-07-13T13:19:30.713-04:002009-07-13T13:19:30.713-04:00Mykal, why do you think Wood fans have a problem w...Mykal, why do you think Wood fans have a problem with the film? Is it because they like the 'underground'-ness of Wood and think Burton makes it too mainstream? I can't see why a Wood fan wouldn't like the film. I can't think of a more loving tribute in all of film biopics. And, like you, Burton's film was my introduction to Wood.<br /><br />Thanks for reading.Ryan Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18054550377681273142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-58851169065491747512009-07-13T13:17:53.216-04:002009-07-13T13:17:53.216-04:00Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words. Sorry I h...Hey everyone, thanks for the kind words. Sorry I haven't left the comments here sooner but this weekend I was travelling and had a memorial service to tend to which left little time for me to devote to the blog.<br /><br />Anyway, Marilyn, I'll agree Depp is kind of one-note, but it's also more of a comedic performance than anything. And his timing is just impeccable, I think. And again, I feel like he exposes a lot of the character's humanity even with the consistency he brings to the role. I think Landau's performance could be classified as one-note, too, though in some ways he's given more 'dramatic' material to work with. Ya know, with the whole Lugosi being a washed up junkie. Probably no small part of why he won the oscar. <br /><br />So his 'non-animated' efforts... by which you mean <i>Nightmare Before Christmas</i>, or do you like <i>Corpse Bride</i> as well? After watching <i>Coraline</i> this year I'm starting to think Henry Selick was as large a part of that film's success as Burton was.Ryan Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18054550377681273142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-87552484685279069032009-07-13T02:42:56.189-04:002009-07-13T02:42:56.189-04:00Going off-topic, I watched "Manhattan" t...Going off-topic, I watched "Manhattan" today. AWESOME. I even prefer it to "Annie Hall" and "Hannah and Her Sisters".<br /><br />Now, here's the thing... if I had seen the film a week ago, I probably would have liked "Whatever Works" a little less. The relationship between Allen and Mariel Hemingway is one that we care strongly about and one that we are even moved by (especially during the scene when she bursts into tears after he proposes that they break up), whereas the relationship between Larry David and Evan Rachel Wood wasn't as cleanly structured. <br /><br />One huge thing about "Manhattan" that I fell in love with was simply the way that the film looks. I've always thought of Allen the same way think of somebody like Robert Altman or Sidney Lumet or Norman Jewison: more of an actor's director than a visualist. Not so with this film. I know everyone here has probably already seen it, so it would be pointless to give details. But, damn. Talk about a visually precise accomplishment.Adam Zanziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14524618281515322239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-16745842936051610472009-07-12T01:20:25.543-04:002009-07-12T01:20:25.543-04:00As a child, Burton was one of my three favorite fi...As a child, Burton was one of my three favorite filmmakers; as I got older, the fascination I had with his films started to wear off after I realized that he was beginning to target the goth audience. <br /><br />"Ed Wood" is the one Burton film that I would say is great- "Big Fish" has hints of genius in it as well. Oh sure, I enjoy watching some of his other films, including "Beetlejuice", "Pee Wee's Big Adventure", both of his "Batman" movies and, for the sake of guilty pleasure, his "Planet of the Apes" remake. But some of his other stuff is overrated. "Edward Scissorhands" works up until that terrible action finale; "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" is somewhat inferior to the Mel Stuart/Gene Wilder original; and "Sleepy Hollow", despite all of its visual grandeur, is something of a bore. I haven't seen "Sweeny Todd" yet because, well, I dislike revenge movies.<br /><br />I loved "Ed Wood" though. Proves that Burton has a heart of some sort. Strangely, Burton's follow-up film, "Mars Attacks!", makes fun of the B-movie genre more than it celebrates it.Adam Zanziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14524618281515322239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-44715588563352922362009-07-11T23:21:39.319-04:002009-07-11T23:21:39.319-04:00Fine piece, Ryan, although I have to agree more wi...Fine piece, Ryan, although I have to agree more with Marilyn about Depp's performance. I think he has grown a lot as an actor since then; I think his perf as Dillinger is better.<br /><br />That said, he was what the movie required; it may be my favorite Burton film as well.<br /><br />And Landau's performance was fabulous, as Greg has said.Rick Olsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04846018585978997261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-69221263918227949042009-07-11T14:00:40.873-04:002009-07-11T14:00:40.873-04:00Ryan, thank you for your contribution to the bloga...Ryan, thank you for your contribution to the blogathon. This is probably my favorite Tim Burton movie. When I first saw it I liked it a lot but was too focused on what was factually wrong (inconsequential stuff like saying it's Bela's house used in Plan 9 when it's Tor Johnson's house, how the actor playing Dudley Manlove was far too old, how lines were said incorrectly during the Plan 9 scenes, etc) but if I watch it again I'm sure that won't bother me this time. I rarely care about small factual inconsistencies anymore in movies. <br /><br />And Martin Landau was just stunning. I'd like to see it again just for his performance.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05730146625671701859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-14729161209197850102009-07-11T13:44:27.620-04:002009-07-11T13:44:27.620-04:00Ryan; Many Ed Wood devotees pick at this movie, bu...Ryan; Many Ed Wood devotees pick at this movie, but I love it. I think, bottom line, it is a <i>loving portrait</i> and captured the optimistic, never-say-die essense of Wood (as does the title of your blog). <br /><br />Also, it made millions aware of Ed Wood (including myself), and curious enough to seek out his work. <br /><br />Great post! -- MykalMykal Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12148489896145024134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7569705696893575981.post-11937905202136816302009-07-11T12:58:01.844-04:002009-07-11T12:58:01.844-04:00Nice review, Ryan. Obviously, you're not alone...Nice review, Ryan. Obviously, you're not alone in loving this movie, and you may be right that it's the best on Burton has made to date, at least among his nonanimated efforts.<br /><br />I don't think this is Depp's best performance, though. He seems kind of one-note to me, except with Landau, who brings a lot of Depp's performance.Marilynhttp://www.ferdyonfilms.comnoreply@blogger.com